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Simon Altaf with Howard Conder on Revelation TV

Its a package take it and be
guaranteed eternity with Him or remain outside
to suffer eternally.
Choice
is clear,
either
you have the Son or you
have nothing!
For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
Psalm 83:5
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Hebrews and
Jesus as Creator
The NT
states that the Lord Jesus is the Creator of all things. For instance, the
inspired author of Hebrews writes:
“But about
the Son he says… ‘In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the
earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you
remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a
robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your
years will never end.’” Hebrews 1:8a, 10-12
The author
has the Father addressing the Son as the actual Creator of the cosmos. The
inspired author applies to the Son an OT passage which refers to Yahweh’s work
in creation:
“‘O my
God,’ I say, ‘take me not hence in the midst of my days, thou whose years
endure throughout all generations!’ Of old thou didst lay the foundation of
the earth, and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They will perish, but
thou dost endure; they will all wear out like a garment. Thou changest them
like raiment, and they pass away; but thou art the same, and thy years have no
end.” Psalm 102:24-27 RSV
Amazingly,
the OT elsewhere states that Yahweh ALONE stretched out the heavens:
“He speaks
to the sun and it does not shine; he seals off the light of the stars. He ALONE
stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.” Job
9:7-8 NIV
For Hebrews
to write that the Son personally laid the foundations of the earth and that the
heavens are the work of his hands means that the author truly believed that the
Son was Yahweh God (yet not the Father), the very eternal Creator himself! Note
for instance the following syllogism:
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Yahweh God created the heavens with his own hands and he alone stretched them
out.
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The Son created the heavens with his own hands.
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Therefore, the Son is Yahweh God.
JW
apologist Greg Stafford takes issue with this conclusion. In his book, Stafford
tries to address the inspired writer’s application of Psalm 102:25-27 to the
Son:
“… It
will be shown that in 1 Corinthians 8:6 the apostle Paul makes a careful
distinction between the ‘one God’ (the Father) as the one ‘out of [… ex (hereafter transliterated as
ek)] whom all things are,’ and Jesus
Christ as the one ‘through [di, a contraction of dia] whom’ all
things came into being…
“Clearly,
then, in context Hebrews 1:10-12 could not be teaching that Jesus is
the Creator, for here, in the opening words to the Hebrews, it is clearly
stated that God made all things ‘through’ His Son. Since Jesus’ role in
creation has already been discussed (Heb. 1:3), it is not likely that
in verses 10-12 the author would return to the same point he has explained
earlier. It could be that these verses from Psalm 102 are appropriately
applied to the Son of God in view of his being the preexistent Wisdom spoken
of in Proverbs 8. There he is described as a ‘master worker’ alongside his
Creator, Jehovah. (Pr 8:22-31) B. W. Bacon acknowledges, ‘The passage could be
made to prove the doctrine that the Messiah is none other than the pre
existent Wisdom of Prov 8, 22-31, “through whom” according to our author [the
author of Hebrews], v.2, God “made the worlds.”’
“It would
certainly be appropriate to refer to the heavens and the earth as ‘the work of
Christ’s hands’ in a secondary sense in view of his being mediator of the
creative acts of Jehovah God. Indeed, as the ‘master craftsman’ Jesus was very
much involved in Jehovah’s works. (Pr 8:30, Jerusalem Bible) Still, there
seems to be another reason why Paul applies verses 25-27 of the 102nd
Psalm to God’s beloved Son.” (Stafford, second edition, pp. 171-174 bold
emphasis ours)
Stafford is
operating under a certain set of assumptions that forbids him from allowing the
text to say what it does in fact say. Stafford assumes that since Jesus is the
instrumental cause of creation, the heavens and the earth can only be the
creative works of Christ solely in a secondary sense. He reiterates this point
in his response to Evangelical apologist Ron Rhodes:
A
conflict with ‘Christ as the Creator’? Rhodes believes that revelation
3:14 means that Christ is “the ‘beginner’ of God’s creation,” thinking that
this interpretation “harmonizes with other New Testament passages about Christ
as Creator.” Rhodes then cites Colossians 1:16, 17, Hebrews 1:2, and John 1:3
as examples of other passages that he believes teach that Christ is the
Creator.
One of
the problems with Rhodes’ argument is there are no other ‘New Testament
passages about Christ as Creator.’ The three verses he cites speak of what God did through Christ. Rather than speak of Christ as the Creator, the
Bible consistently uses language of Jesus that could never be used of an
eternal almighty God, and which reveals the simple truth that Jesus lives
‘because of the Father’ (Joh 6:57). (Ibid., p. 239; bold emphasis ours)
Stafford
has erroneously assumed that the language used in relation to Christ’s role in
creating the cosmos demonstrates that he is not the almighty God. Yet an
examination of how the preposition di’ is used elsewhere, specifically in
reference to God, shows that the biblical language affirms beyond any reasonable
doubt that Jesus is the eternal almighty God!
“For from
him and THROUGH (di’) him and FOR (eis) him are all things. To
him be glory forever! Amen.” Romans 11:36 NAB
“In
bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, FOR (eis) whom
and THROUGH (di') whom everything exists, should make the author of
their salvation perfect through suffering.” Hebrews 2:10 NIV[1]
God is not
simply the efficient cause (“from”) cause of creation, he is also the
instrumental (“through”) and final (“for”) cause of it. Paul elsewhere ascribes
to Jesus the function of both instrumental and final cause of all things:
“yet for
us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we
live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through (di') whom
all things came and through (di’) whom we live.” 1 Corinthians 8:6
NIV
“For
IN (en) him ALL things were created: things in heaven and on earth,
visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; ALL things were created THROUGH (di’) him and FOR (eis) him.
He is before all things, AND IN (en) HIM ALL THINGS HOLD TOGETHER.
And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the
firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the
supremacy.” Colossians 1:16-18
For Jesus
to be given two of God’s functions in creating all things demonstrates beyond
any reasonable doubt that Jesus is THE CREATOR in an active sense, which makes
him Yahweh God (yet not the Father)! This identical use of language in relation
to God’s role in creation emphatically affirms that the Lord Jesus is the
Creator in a primary and active sense. As NT scholar Richard Bauckham states in
relation to Paul’s claim that all things are from God and through Christ:
“The
description in its undivided, unmodified form is used elsewhere by Paul,
specifically in Romans 11:36a: ‘from him and through him and to him [are] all
things’. Here the statement simply refers to God, whereas in 1 Corinthians 8:6
Paul has divided it between God and Christ, applying to God two of the
prepositions that describe God’s relationship as Creator to all things (‘from’
and ‘for’ or ‘to’) and the third of these prepositions (‘through’) to Christ.
Although Paul’s formula in Romans 11:36 does not appear precisely in this form
elsewhere, there are enough Jewish parallels to make it certain that Paul there
simply quotes a Jewish formulation. That God is not only the agent or efficient
cause of creation (‘from him are all things’) and the final cause or goal of
all things (‘to him are all things’), but also the instrumental cause (‘through
whom are all things’) well expresses the typical Jewish monotheistic concern
that God used no one else to carry out his work of creation, but accomplished it
alone, solely by means of his own Word and/or his own Wisdom. Paul’s
reformulation in 1 Corinthians 8:6 includes Christ in this exclusively divine
work of creation by giving to him the role of instrumental cause.” (Bauckham,
God Crucified-Monotheism & Christology in the New Testament [Eerdmans
Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, MI/ Cambridge, U.K., 1998], p. 39 bold
emphasis ours)
The
Pseudepigrapha literature provide support for Bauckham’s claims:
"O
sovereign Lord, didst thou not speak at the beginning when thou didst form the
earth -- AND THAT WITHOUT HELP-- and didst command the dust and it gave
thee Adam, a lifeless body? Yet he was the workmanship of thy hands, and thou
didst breathe into him the breath of life, and he was made alive in thy
presence." 4 Ezra 3:4-5 RSV
"then I
planned these things, and they were made THROUGH ME AND NOT THROUGH ANOTHER,
just as the end shall come through me and not through another." 4 Ezra 6:6 RSV
"This
name was very appropriately bestowed upon him by our first ancestors, in
order to signify that He THROUGH whom all things are endowed with life and
come into being, is necessarily the ruler and lord of the Universe. Set
all mankind an example of magnanimity by releasing those who are held in
bondage." Letter of Aristeas 16 RSV
Hence, the
role of Christ in creation persuasively shows that the Lord Jesus is indeed the
Creator of all things.[2]
An
additional problem with Stafford’s reasoning is that it commits the fallacy of
false dilemma. Evidently, Stafford assumes that Jesus cannot be the Agent of
creation while at the same time being the actual cause of creation. Yet, this is
a dilemma that Stafford imposes upon the text since the inspired author had no
problem in viewing Jesus as both the Creator as well as the instrumental Agent
of creation. In relation to the Father, Christ is the Agent through which all
things came into being. Yet, in relation to creation both the Father and the
Son, along with the Holy Spirit, are the one Creator with all three Persons
being fully responsible for bringing all things into existence. (Cf. Genesis
1:2, 26-27; Job 33:4; Psalm 104:30)[3]
Let us also
not forget that according to the author of Hebrews it is the Father himself who
personally addresses his Son as THE Creator of the cosmos!
Stafford
continues:
“… Is it
to prove that Jesus Christ is ‘Jehovah God of the Old Testament’ that the
author of Hebrews makes such an application of Psalm 102? Again, those who
embrace the doctrine of the Trinity would likely answer, ‘Yes, the fact that a
verse was originally applied to God, and later applied to the Son proves that
he is Jehovah God of the Old Testament.’
“Using
this type of reasoning one might feel justified in concluding that Solomon was
Jesus Christ! Why? Because in the verses just previous to Hebrews 1:10-12 Paul
wrote: ‘But reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever and ever, and
the scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. You loved
righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed
you with the oil of exultation more than your partners.”’ (Heb 1:8-9) As we
have already discussed the translation ‘God is your throne’ in this chapter,
we simply want to point out that these words were originally addressed to
Solomon in Psalm 45:6-7, but here in Hebrews 1:8-9 they are applied to the
Lord Jesus Christ. The book Reasoning from the Scriptures, page 414, adds more
to the point:
It should
be observed in Hebrews 1:5b that a quotation is made from 2 Samuel 7:14 and
applied to the Son of God. Although that text had its first application to
Solomon, the later application of it to Jesus Christ does not mean that Solomon
and Jesus are the same. Jesus is ‘greater than Solomon’ and carries out a work
foreshadowed by Solomon-Luke 11:31.
“Paul no
more intended to identify Jesus with Jehovah than he intended to identify
Solomon with Jesus. He did, however, apply certain concepts and ideas
expressed in those verses that were originally applied to Jehovah God and
Solomon, to the Son of God. The application of Psalm 45:6-7 to Jesus at
Hebrews 1:8-9 shows that God is the source of Jesus’ royal office and
authority. Because Jesus ‘loved righteousness and hated lawlessness,’ Jehovah
‘anointed him with the oil of exultation.’ Paul’s words are, ‘God, your God [ho
theos sou; lit. ‘the God of you’],’ when referring to the One who anointed
Jesus.
“Jehovah
was both the source of Solomon’s royal authority as well as his God. The same
is true of the Lord Jesus Christ. Jehovah is the source of his authority and
is also his God (compare Da 713,14; Mt 28:18; Php 2:9,10; Rev 3:2,12)…”
(Ibid., pp. 172-173 bold emphasis mine)
Stafford
commits several fallacies here. First, Stafford begs the question since he assumes
that Yahweh is unipersonal and proceeds to read this into the text. Because
of this assumption, Stafford argues that the application of Psalm 102 to Christ
no more proves that Jesus is Yahweh than the application of 2 Samuel 7 and Psalm
45 to Christ prove that Jesus is Solomon. Yet, this example simply highlights
Stafford’s post-biblical 19th century a priori assumption
that Yahweh God is one in Being and one in Person much like Solomon is one being
and one person. Hence, his analogy may work with Solomon since he is obviously
a unipersonal Being, but it does not work with Yahweh unless, of course, one
has already assumed that Yahweh is a unipersonal Being like Solomon.
Another
reason why Stafford’s analogy here is erroneous is that kingship is not a trait
which was unique to Solomon alone since there were many kings in Israel. Hence,
attributing to Christ a passage that originally referred to Solomon only shows
that Solomon wasn’t the only person to rule over Israel. Yet, only Yahweh has
the characteristics of eternity, immutability and creatorship. For a writer to
therefore apply a passage that highlights some of Yahweh’s incommunicable
attributes to Christ shows that the authors of the NT believed that Jesus is
Yahweh God! Evangelical scholar Dr. James R. White sums it up best:
“… The
connection between the Lord Jesus and Solomon has to do with a shared
characteristic: kingship. But kingship is not a unique attribute of
Solomon. There have been many kings. So while citing a passage about Solomon
of Jesus doesn’t make Jesus Solomon, citing a passage about a unique
characteristic (creatorship, immutability, eternality) of Yahweh does make Jesus Yahweh,
for no one else shares that characteristic.
Being a king didn’t make Solomon who he was, but being eternal and
unchangeable does define who Yahweh is.” (White, The Forgotten
Trinity [Bethany House Publishers: Minneapolis, MN, 1998], p. 135)
Furthermore, Stafford is seemingly unaware that his argument actually reinforces
the Trinitarian position. For instance, both Jesus and Solomon were descendents
of David, divinely appointed kings and royal sons of God. The two share similar
titles and functions without this making them the same person.
Likewise,
in applying to Christ a passage originally referring to Yahweh God shows that
the author of Hebrews believed that the Father isn’t the only One who is
immutable, eternal and the one Creator of the cosmos; the Son is also! The
application of Psalm 102 to Jesus proves that the Son, much like the Father, is
the one true God. That both the Father and the Son perform works that the Holy
Bible says that only Yahweh performs shows that Yahweh is a multipersonal Being.
It does not show that the Son is the same person as the Father, but that
the Son is the same in nature and essence.
It is
primarily Stafford’s erroneous and unbiblical position regarding the Father
alone being Yahweh that leads him to argue in the manner that he does. He
erroneously assumes that Unitarianism is a theological given, as opposed to
allowing the Holy Bible to clarify the exact nature and existence of the true
God; whether in fact the scriptures teach Yahweh is multipersonal as opposed to
being unipersonal. Hence, Stafford’s analogy of Solomon and Jesus in trying to
undermine Jesus’ identification with Yahweh only shows that his reasoning is
flawed and is guilty of committing the fallacy of false analogy, as well as
straw man argumentation. It does nothing to refute the Trinitarian position. In
fact, it actually misrepresents what Trinitarians believe.
Stafford’s
criticism of the Trinitarian position serves to demonstrate the inconsistency of
the hermeneutics employed by JW apologists and severely undermines the JW claim
that Christ is the archangel Michael. It is quite common for JW Apologists to
assert that since Michael and Jesus share similar functions they must be one and
the same person. JWs feel that it is perfectly consistent to argue from their
similarities that Jesus is Michael, despite the fact that not a single NT
passage explicitly states that Jesus is Michael!
The JW then
cries foul when Trinitarians conclude that Jesus is Yahweh even though this
position is based on the fact that OT passages which specifically refer to
Yahweh along with titles, attributes, functions and the worship given
exclusively to Yahweh alone are applied to Christ! It is quite evident that the
JW apologist is guilty of a double standard, employing a methodology that they
only too quickly condemn Trinitarians for using. This is simply religious
hypocrisy.
Stafford
then commits a categorical fallacy since he assumes that since the Father is
Jesus’ God and the source of his authority, this somehow proves that Jesus is
not the same kind of God that the Father is. This fails to take into
consideration that at the incarnation Christ truly became man and set aside his
authority by taking the form of a slave. (Cf. John 1:14; 2 Corinthians 8:9;
Philippians 2:5-8)
By becoming
man and setting aside his authority, Jesus became subject to the Father. Jesus
also entered into a new relationship with the Father. Whereas prior to the
incarnation Christ related to the Father specifically as a Son, now after
becoming flesh the Father became Jesus’ God due to Christ willfully becoming
part of the very creation he came to redeem. Since Christ retains his humanity
(contrary to what Stafford would like to believe) the Father will continue to be
Jesus’ God. Cf. Rev. 1:6; 3:2, 12
In order
for Stafford’s argument to work he needs to present a single passage where the
Father is said to be Jesus’ God even before the Incarnation. If Stafford can
show such a verse he may have a case. Yet, if he cannot produce such a passage
then Stafford’s claim that Jesus has a God does nothing to refute the
Trinitarian position.
Stafford
might offer Micah 5:4 as evidence that the Father was God to the Son in His
preexistence. Yet this is a messianic prophecy, and as such refers to the
Messiah AFTER the incarnation. (Cf. Micah 5:1-3) Therefore the appeal to Micah
5:4 will not establish the JW position.
Stafford
tries to deny the immutability of Christ’s eternal Deity by claiming that Psalm
102 refers to Jesus’ exaltation during which time he became immortal. (Ibid.,
pp. 173-174)
The problem
with Stafford’s reasoning is that Psalm 102 does not refer to Christ’s
post-resurrection exaltation. Rather, it refers to Jesus’ pre-incarnate state
when Christ created the cosmos. The inspired author is clearly saying that from
the very time that creation came into being Christ remains the same. Christ has
always been and will continue to be immutable:
“Jesus
Christ is the same, yesterday and today and forever.” Hebrews 13:8 NIV
The only
thing that became different is that at the incarnation Christ took on human
flesh. Yet Jesus’ divine nature never changed since he never ceased being God
even while on earth. At the resurrection, Christ’s physical body became immortal
and no longer experiences change.
It is quite
evident that an accurate reading of the Holy Bible shows that the Lord Jesus
isn’t simply a passive agent that God worked through to create all things. The
Lord Jesus is the active agent of creation, the very One whom the Father
acknowledges as the Creator of the universe. It is rather unfortunate that
Stafford’s post-biblical 19th century JW theology prohibits him from
seeing this divinely revealed truth.
In part 2
of this paper, I proceed to address JW apologist Hector Heinz’s attempt to respond
to some of these very points which I had brought up in my rebuttal to him.
NOTES
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[1] In the
three verses cited by Stafford (John 1:3; Hebrews 1:2; 1 Corinthians 8:6) and in
the two I have cited (Romans 11:36; Hebrews 2:10), dia is followed by a
genitive, and thus generally means "through, by means of." BAGD (Bauer, Walter;
Danker, Frederick; Arndt, William; Gingrich, F. Wilbur, A Greek-English
Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, The
University of Chicago Press, Third Edition, Chicago, Ill, 2000) lists the first
three verses under the definition, "denoting the personal agent or intermediary,
through." It lists the second two under the definition, "of the
originator of an action." However, other than the subject (Christ vs. God the
Father), there is no grammatical difference between the usage of dia in
each of these verses. Indeed, the Greek of Hebrews 2:10 and 1 Corinthians 8:6
is identical: di' hou ta panta ("through whom are all things"). Thus,
despite Stafford's assertion otherwise, the Biblical authors speak of creation
as coming "through" both Father and Son.
[2] In an
online debate with Robert Hommel on the subject of the Julius Mantey Letter (see
http://forananswer.org/Mars_Jw/GS-RH.Mantey.Index.htm),
Stafford takes issue with Bauckham's citation of these passages from 4 Ezra:
4 Ezra is
preserved in Latin, Syriac, Ethiopic, Armenian and Arabic manuscripts, and
portions in Coptic, Georgian and a "tiny scrap" of Greek from the 4th century
CE. The oldest Latin Codex containing 4 Ezra is dated to 822 CE (Metzger,
OTP1, page 518). The oldest Syriac version is the Peshitta. Metzger agrees
with most other scholars in dating this book to the early part of the second
century CE. Thus, dating to a time after the writing of the NT books.
Mr. Hommel refers to 4 Ezra 3:4 as evidence that "2nd Temple Jews believed
quite clearly that Jehovah acted alone as the Creator, to the exclusion of
even a helper." The text reads: "O sovereign Lord, did you not speak at the
beginning when you formed the earth--and that without help---and commanded the
dust and it gave you Adam, a lifeless body?" So, once again, we see that this
refers to God's creative acts, which Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT believe were
shared by anyone else. God ALONE created through his Son, the Logos. That is
why the PASSIVE verb forms are used in Col. 1:16-17, in relation to the
Firstborn's role. Also, since this is the work of a post-first-century Jew, it
may be that he is contradicting popular view about God and the Logos,
prevalent in Christian circles (Second Reply to Robert Hommel).
The fact is
that scholars regularly cite 4 Ezra as indicative of Jewish thought during the
2nd Temple period, and indeed in his published work, Stafford does so himself
(Stafford, pp. 314, 555-56). Stafford has recently cited a Pseudepigraphal work
that would seem far most susceptible to the "post-first-century" criticism than
4 Ezra:
I
specifically mentioned the Jewish Pseudepigraphal figure Metatron, of whom we
read in 3 Enoch 48C:7:
quote:
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I bestowed on him some of my majesty, some of my magnificence, some of the
splendor of my glory, which is on the throne of glory, and I called him by my
name, `The lesser YHWH, Prince of the Divine Presence, knower of secrets.'
Every secret I have revealed to him in love, every mystery I have made known
to him in uprightness.
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Additionally, in 3 Enoch 10:3-6 we are also told that "eight" other princes
are "called YHWH by the name of their King," and 3 Enoch 30:1 speaks of "the
great princes who are called YHWH by the name of the Holy One." In 3 Enoch
30:2 the question is asked: "How many princes are there? There are 72 princes
of kingdoms in the world, not counting the Prince of the World"! Clearly,
then, in Jewish literature in and around the time of Jesus and the apostles
one could be "called YHWH" or even be considered a "lesser YHWH" without being
equal to or "one in nature" with YHWH Himself. (Posted by GregStafford on Tue
- May 6, 2003 - 3:52pm: http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index.cgi)
While 4
Ezra dates to early in the 2nd Century, 3 Enoch is much later:
3 Enoch,
or the Hebrew Apocalypse of Enoch, was supposedly written by Rabbi Ishmael the
'high priest' after his visionary ascension into heaven (d. 132 C.E.).
Although it contains a few Greek and Latin loan words, there is no reason to
suspect that the original language of 3 Enoch was anything other than Hebrew.
Whereas some of the traditions of 3 Enoch may be traced back to the time of
Rabbi Ishmael, and even earlier, the date of composition is probably closer to
the fifth or sixth centuries. It was probably written in or near Babylon.
(Evans, Noncanonical Writings and New Testament Interpretation, (1992)
p. 24).
Thus, if
Stafford views a fifth century text as valuable in determining Jewish theology
circa 70a.d., he can have no reasonable objection to one dating within 60 years
of that date.
[3]
Stafford takes exception to Trinitarians distinguishing Christ’s role in
creation from the Father’s role, as opposed to saying God’s role, asserting that
we are somehow pouring into these terms post-biblical language and concepts. In
his response to Dr. James R. White, Stafford writes:
Having
reviewed all the above points regarding John 1:1, it may be helpful to remind
ourselves of White’s claim. He writes: “Stafford notes that God created all
things through the Son (Hebrews 1:2), and writes, ‘Clearly, then, in context
Hebrews 1:10-12 could not be teaching that Jesus is the Creator, for here, in
the opening words to the Hebrews, it is clearly stated that God made
all things “through” His Son’ (p. 48). This is circular argumentation, for it
assumes that conclusion Stafford wishes to reach. It assumes unitarianism. The
fact that the Son is differentiated from the Father is admitted by all. But
unless one assumes that the term ‘God’ must always and only refer solely
to the Father (unitarianism), the entire argument collapses” (The Forgotten
Trinity, page 216, note 6)
You will
note that my appeal is to the first part of Hebrews 1 where “God,” not
simply “the Father,” is distinguished from the Son. Of course, White again
substitutes the ontological term for the personal one, and this will be
discussed again under point five. However, note how my argument is presented.
QUOTE FROM
JWD1, pages 48-49:
Clearly,
then, in context Hebrews 1:10-12 could not be teaching that Jesus is the
Creator, for here, in the opening words to the Hebrews, it is clearly
stated that God made all things ‘through’ His Son. Since Jesus'
role in creation has already been discussed (Heb 1:3), it is not likely
that in verses 10-12 the author would return to the same point he has
explained earlier. It could be that these verses from Psalm 102 are
appropriately applied to the Son of God in view of his being the
preexistent Wisdom spoken of in Proverbs 8.
Note that I
do not say, “Jesus cannot be the Creator because he is not the Creator”;
rather, I refer to fact that “God” is the One who made the ages (epoiesen
tous aionas) “through” (di’) the Son (Heb 1:2-3), who is here
presented as distinct from Him. I then point out on page 51 that “the thrust
of [Paul’s] message is to highlight Jesus’ immortality (deathlessness) since
his resurrection by God. (Ro 6:9; Ga 1:1)”… (http://jehovah.to/exegesis/general/cri_review.htm;
underlined emphasis ours)
Stafford
states that Christ is being distinguished from God, not simply the Father, as if
this somehow undermines Trinitarianism. As White correctly pointed out, unless
one assumes that God must always refer to the Father then Stafford’s entire
argument collapses. In context, the God who created all things through the Son
is the Father and hence it is legitimate for Trinitarians to substitute the word
Father for God here. In fact, we find inspired writers doing the same thing as
in the case of the Apostle John:
“In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (een pros ton theon),
and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God (pros
ton theon).” John 1:1-2 ESV
Now
contrast this with John’s first epistle:
“That
which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our
eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the
word of life-the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to
it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father (pros
ton patera ) and was made manifest to us-that which we have seen and
heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us;
and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.” 1
John 1:1-3 ESV
John had no
problem substituting God with Father and neither do Trinitarians. Besides, the
real issue is not whether Christ is being distinguished from God or the Father,
but whether the NT teaches that Christ is God in the same sense and to the same
degree as the God that he is with. If he is (and the NT data shows that he is),
then the one true God is multipersonal since the plain biblical teaching is that
there is only one ontological being that is God.
In order to
deny this, Stafford assumes that the passages that distinguish God from Christ
must be in terms of their being, that they are distinct ontologically not just
in person. The problem with Stafford’s claim is that he hasn’t provided any
solid biblical evidence to support this view. He cannot simply assume his
conclusion and proceed to read this back into the passages which show that God
and Christ are distinct and then derive his argument that the distinction is
ontological in nature.
Stafford
presumes that since distinct persons in the Holy Bible are also distinct beings,
then the same applies to God. The problem with this argument is that it fails to
take into consideration that God is unique in his existence and being, and that
there is nothing in creation that is exactly like him:
"Among
the gods there is none like you, O Lord; no deeds can compare with
yours. All the nations you have made will come and worship before you, O
Lord; they will bring glory to your name. For you are great and do marvelous
deeds; you alone are God." Psalm 86:8-10 NIV
"The
heavens praise your wonders, O LORD, your faithfulness too, in the assembly of
the holy ones. For who in the skies above can compare with the LORD? Who is
like the LORD among the heavenly beings? In the council of the holy ones
God is greatly feared; he is more awesome than all who surround him. O
LORD God Almighty, who is like you? You are mighty, O LORD, and your
faithfulness surrounds you." Psalm 89:5-8 NIV
"Who has
measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, or with the breadth of his hand
marked off the heavens? Who has held the dust of the earth in a basket, or
weighed the mountains on the scales and the hills in a balance? Who has
understood the mind of the LORD, or instructed him as his counselor? Whom did
the LORD consult to enlighten him, and who taught him the right way? Who was
it that taught him knowledge or showed him the path of understanding? Surely
the nations are like a drop in a bucket; they are regarded as dust on the
scales; he weighs the islands as though they were fine dust. Lebanon is not
sufficient for altar fires, nor its animals enough for burnt offerings. Before
him all the nations are as nothing; they are regarded by him as worthless and
less than nothing. To whom, then, will you compare God? What image will you
compare him to?" Isaiah 40:12-18 NIV
"‘To
whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?’ says the Holy One. Lift
your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out
the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of his great
power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing." Isaiah 40:25-26 NIV
“To whom
will you liken me and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be alike?…
remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am
God, and there is none like me,” Isaiah 46:5, 9 ESV
"No
one is like you, O LORD; you are great, and your name is mighty in power.
Who should not revere you, O King of the nations? This is your due. Among all
the wise men of the nations and in all their kingdoms, there is no one like
you. They are all senseless and foolish; they are taught by worthless
wooden idols. Hammered silver is brought from Tarshish and gold from Uphaz.
What the craftsman and goldsmith have made is then dressed in blue and purple-
all made by skilled workers. But the LORD is the true God; he is the living
God, the eternal King. When he is angry, the earth trembles; the nations
cannot endure his wrath." Jeremiah 10:6-10 NIV
In light of
the foregoing, Stafford’s argument that since rational creatures are one in
person and in being, or that they are distinct in terms of their being as well
as their persons, this somehow also applies to God is simply erroneous. If
anything, the Trinity better fits the biblical depiction of God being different
and distinct from rational creatures since there are no triune creatures in
creation! God alone is Triune, demonstrating how truly and utterly unique he is
in comparison with his creation.
Stafford’s
point that Psalm 102 is applied to Christ in view of his being the Wisdom of
Proverbs is astonishing since Psalm 102 refers to the role Yahweh played in
creation, not Wisdom! Unless Stafford wants to claim that Yahweh is also the
Wisdom spoken of in Proverbs then it becomes clearly evident that Stafford’s
post-biblical JW unitarian theology is guiding his exegesis of the passages in
question. His unitarianism does not allow him to accept the plain teaching of
the passages since he would be forced to accept Jesus as Yahweh God.
Besides, to
say that Christ is both Yahweh God and the Wisdom of Yahweh poses no problem to
the Trinitarian since Wisdom is an intrinsic aspect of God’s eternal being.
Hence, for Jesus to be God’s own Wisdom proves that Christ is uncreated, and
therefore God in the fullest sense of the term. Furthermore, since Jesus is not
the Father or the Holy Spirit he can be the Wisdom of Yahweh since Yahweh here
would refer to the Father. In other words, Christ is the Wisdom of the Father
who is Yahweh God, while also being Yahweh at the same time since both the
Father and the Son exist as the one true God.
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